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me George Galloway for Al mayadeen
television coming to you from London but
discussing the United States of America
and in particular its president Donald J
Trump which of course therefore means
we're talking about the whole world
because the reach of the President of
the United States is indeed truly global
and joined by an audience of
distinguished experts and one or two
enthusiastic amateurs like me now Donald
Trump is in deep doo-doo I know you
thought he already was maybe you thought
he had just climbed out of the swamp
that he'd promised to drain gotten free
of Russia gate
Robert moolah and all the dogs of war
that were yapping and barking and biting
his heels but he's back in the swamp
again if you thought Russia gate was
absolute lunacy wait till you hear about
the Ukraine gate they have managed to
simultaneously in parallel overlapping
accused Donald Trump first of being a
tool of Russia and at the same time a
tool of Russia's worst enemy in the
world which is Ukraine the proximate
cause of the Rao is Donald Trump asking
the new president of Ukraine who used to
be a comedian and make of that what you
will
that must have been quite a phone call
might have been a laugh a minute
in it President Trump asked the new
president of Ukraine to properly
investigate allegations that the
previous US administration of Barack
Obama Hillary Clinton and yes Joe Biden
had been up to the neck in corruption
and malfeasance in Ukraine now maybe I'm
missing something but it seems to me
that the corruption malfeasance and
crimes misdemeanors that might have been
carried out by a previous American
administration was rather more important
than a row about the current President
of the United States asking that it
should be investigated after all what
should Donald Trump have said yes
there's a suggestion that many millions
of dollars were corruptly made by people
associated with my predecessor
administration but I don't want you to
investigate that just think about that
for a minute and you'll I'm sure come to
the same conclusion as me but of course
it's not just the Joe Biden hunter Biden
affair though it's worth spending a
moment on that Joe Biden was the Vice
President of the United States living in
the White House itself his son hunter
Biden was dismissed by the United States
military for sniffing crack cocaine and
in the twitch of a nostril after his
discharge he ended up on the board of a
very prominent Ukrainian oil and gas
company on $50,000 a month he knew
nothing about oil or gas Farzin owned
you nothing about Ukraine so what was it
that this oil and gas company first saw
in Hunter Biden
it couldn't could it be connected to the
fact that his father was the vice
president of the United States Barack
Obama's children were too young I think
to put on to the board of a Ukrainian
oil and gas company but hunter Biden was
free
having been sacked from the US military
for sniffing crack cocaine so they gave
him the job they gave him the money and
Joe Biden subsequently made more visits
to the Ukraine than he did to anywhere
else in the entire world
now Ukraine's a beautiful place Kiev a
beautiful city but I don't think he was
there for the dancing girls or the
chicken Kiev I think he was there
because of the filthy lucre and not just
$50,000 a month
either and of course the Obama
administration Hillary Clinton were up
to their necks in other kinds of
corruption much deadlier kinds than that
the Obama administration coordinated
fueled I would argue partially carried
out the so-called revolution in Ukraine
the overthrew the president said the
Parliament on fire forced members of
parliament at gunpoint to sign a whole
series of laws one of which was to
reduce the Russian language spoken by
nearly 40% of the population of Ukraine
to a second-class language no longer an
official language so he asked me Donald
Trump actually has a duty to ask the
president of Ukraine to investigate
these matters and that's what he did and
the Democrats have pressed the panic
button now that's been overtaken in a
way by events in Syria you know I've
said to you before how the world has
turned upside down
how left know is right and right is now
left and left and right mean nothing at
all the left in the United States is
denouncing Donald Trump for withdrawing
American forces from a foreign country
he's being denounced from the left for
ending an American war go figure this is
Alice in Wonderland it's Alice Through
the Looking Glass the right in America
saying no more Middle East Wars and the
left in America is saying more more more
Middle East Wars I sometimes wonder if
I'm dreaming all of this and yet it's
real enough and both issues Ukraine and
Syria the Kurdish question are now
moving like a pincer against Donald
Trump it's unlikely that they will
succeed in impeaching him though you
never know you never know if article 25
might be triggered declaring Trump to be
mentally unfit to continue as president
of the United States and if he doesn't
take that phone away that Twitter
account his wife doesn't confiscate his
phone he might well actually end up like
that his late-night tweets certainly are
evidence of madness quite often but if
they don't impeach him if they don't
remove him their fear that he's going to
win a second term as president of the
United States not least because the
Democrats seem absolutely determined to
nominate for the second time the only
person in the United States who could
lose an election to Donald Trump in this
case the father of hunter Biden Joe
Biden
whose teeth flew out in a presidential
debate on television the other day blood
coming from his eyes on television in a
presidential debate who if he stands any
longer under these TV lights is going to
melt because his face seems to me to be
made of plastic these are some of the
issues that we face in a discussion
about the impeachment of Donald Trump
let me turn to some of my experts who's
got the microphone
well this expert is a real real expert
he's the United States citizen
journalists working in England a
champion of Julian Assange it's a
pleasure to welcome you here Patrick
Ellington thanks George so on this
subject of impeachment I think I think
what we can conclude here is that
there's a trend happening both in the US
and in the UK - maybe in Brazil we can
include in this conversation
the total politicization of all aspects
of government every agency the judiciary
the intelligence community and so what
happens when you have this sort of
culture and politics it's extremely
dangerous you could have a complete
breakdown of the forms of government
that we've been used to seeing in the
last so many decades and I think that's
what's happening look at brexit the
judiciary is involved in deeming the
probation of parliament is unlawful
politicians are being asked to hand over
their instant messages to have them
scrutinized to see if what they're doing
at a political motivations well of
course they've had political motivations
because this is what politicians do but
this is what's happening in America as
well complete politicization of of all
aspects of government law fair writ
large sort of thing that put Lulu in
prison arguably ahead of the last
election in Brazil but what all this is
doing is going to promulgate populism
even more
because the more the average voter sees
this drift of the establishment away
from the people this is how it's going
to be translated in the case of Donald
Trump absolutely this is how it's going
to be translated by his base this will
energize his base even more than they
were in 2016 and so it's not it's gonna
have the opposite effect I think I think
the establishment is in a death spiral
at the moment and they really don't know
how to get out because they're so deeply
invested in all these different gates
and America's having gate fatigue a
Ukraine gate tax gate the gate fatigue
is setting in in the United States so
that's that means that no matter how far
they push this impeachment scenario it's
it won't have the this sort of effect
that Lewinsky gate had in 1998 or that
Watergate had in 1994 it's just not
going to be the same the hand has been
played so many times now in the last
couple of years with molar the molar
probe and so forth so it's it did law of
diminishing returns has absolutely set
in and again that defers to populist
laws of physical itical physics at that
point so that's interesting that's what
I thanks for kicking us off with that
Andre Walker you are a conservative
commentator of note radio broadcaster
writer how does it look to you from your
side of the fence well look I think what
you've just heard is extremely important
we seemed right across the western world
this out do you know quangos taking over
huge sways of government so governments
are no longer democratic and of course
what they do is they constantly attack
people who are democratic elected I
thought there was a brilliant example
actually in the UK of 21 year old Darren
Grimes who campaigns to leave the
European Union as a fashion student from
the University of Brighton and the
Electoral Commission has hounded this
guy now we see with Rudolph Giuliani
somebody who was quite obviously
representing the president's the United
States of America is now being
investigated by his own agency the the
southern what is it the southern New
York law center the the office of the US
Attorney I'm extremely concerned about
this whole thing simply because the
dear that you can elect somebody and
whoever you elect there is a
criminalization of politics
criminalization that's a good word it's
absolutely right and the crazy thing of
course here is this what the Democrats
are saying now one of the things that
worried me I worked for Breitbart so I
got involved in journalism when the
Mercer family introduced me to Steve
Palin so nobody could be more kind of on
this page than I am but one of the
things that really worries me it's the
way that amazes me is the way that in
America and in Britain there is a
political class who have enriched
themselves you know you look at somebody
like help Bill Clinton and Hillary you
know you're not talking about making a
million dollars when you leave office
you're talking about making a hundred
million 200 million where does this
money come from in the case of Joe Biden
talk about shooting the messenger by the
way in the case of Joe Biden the
Democrats are now putting about that Joe
Biden was so angry with the Ukrainian
prosecutor dropping the investigation
into his son that's why I called for him
to be sacked now anybody with any degree
of sanity can tell you that that is
completely but fundamentally but
fundamentally what we're watching here
is this an attempt across the world
whether it be Briggs it in the UK
whether it be Donald Trump in America to
drain the swamp to remove the
professional political class and we are
seeing them fighting back and they are
fighting dirty and I have to say they
are destroying in my view the political
institutions both in Britain and America
and it's very worrying can I tell you
which country in the world gave most
money to the Clinton Foundation
I believe it's Saudi Arabia it was a
good guess Qatar might have been a good
second guess UAE a third guess but it
was none of them it was Ukraine Adam
Geary considerable intellectual
commentator how does this all look to
you well it you'd have to have a heart
of stone not to love because it really
is commedia dell'arte you were talking
about the current president of Ukraine
zalenski who was a former comedian and I
have to say especially with politics
these days there's really only two
classes of politicians failed comedians
and aspiring messianic cult Lee
and so please don't follow me brothers
and sisters so there's a but there's a
tragic element to this tragic comedy
because as we've heard before it's
weakening democracy it's weakening
institutions that used to help democracy
in terms of providing them a foundation
but which are being politicized for all
the reasons that we just heard but when
it comes to the people who one way or
another or the ultimate judge jury and
executioner of their own will it's going
to make Donald Trump look huge and huge
I suppose I should say but this is one
element that I think we can look at Lee
well it's going to be big Lee you've
never seen anything like it
and one thing that Trump reminds me of
is he reminds me of a Democrat from the
first half of the twentieth century into
the latter part of the 19th century when
we look at how the parties in America
operated until sort of the 1960 70s the
Democrats had two main wings
there was the brute force Rock'em
Sock'em East Coast wing the Tammany Hall
wing the people who would dig up dirt
and if they couldn't find any you know
they'd liked it
indeed and then there were the Southern
Democrats who were sort of living in the
post-civil war off to glow with all of
their quite nasty policies and the rest
of it the Republican Party though was
neither of those things it was a
combination of East Coast men who liked
to play polo Midwestern men who ran
medium sized honest businesses and all
the rest of that and then there were the
Cowboys from the West who the minute
they arrived in New York or Washington
would learn how to play polo and they'd
trade the stats in in for a cravat
Donald Trump is a Tammany Hall Democrat
for him the worse the better he loves it
when he's up against the ropes
because that gives him an opportunity to
punch his opponent all the way to the
other side of the Ring so by these
people who are quite lilliputian when
you compare them to some of the
opponents that people like Nixon for
example faced Trump must be really happy
angry but a happy sort of angry because
is exactly where he wants to be the
danger for Trump is that his base would
become complacent and that more
worryingly for him they would see Trump
is becoming one who surrendered to the
swamp they can't say that now because in
fighting for his political life he's
also fighting on behalf of his base it's
the biggest I told you so moment and
politics and he must be absolutely
relishing it mom you're also a United
States citizen an activist here in
England looking across the pond how do
you see things Carole Gould I'm a
broadcaster and author I'd like to talk
about at the coalface because in the
past 48 hours President Trump has
attended several enormous rallies
I saw the Minnesota one in a sedan tech
yeah Louisiana his base as we like to
describe it couldn't care less about
crewmen and Parnas the to the Ukrainian
and the Belarus gentlemen who have been
arrested at Dulles Airport again another
thread in the Ukranian story what I find
interesting about these rallies is that
the the base is enormous and as we've
all said just now and I'm not I'm not a
trump supporter all right from the
outside all right and in 2016 I I'm
supposed to be an impartial journalist
but I was a huge supporter of Bernie
Sanders but let's look at 2020 and now a
year is a long time in politics as the
cliche goes but if you look at these
rallies you will see that his base
couldn't care less about hunter Biden
they don't they wouldn't even know who
Parnas and Froman are some of them are a
little bit upset that Shepard Smith the
host on Fox News had to leave his job
yesterday Friday because Attorney
General a bar had lunch with Rupert
Murdoch the day before and President
Trump as you say in one of his three am
crazy tweets became hysterical because
Fox News happened to show a poll that
showed the
he was behind and as you say Milania
ought to take his phone away from him
and of his toys but in a year's time I
would say and when I prepared to do this
program I was told how do you think the
impeachment quote unquote will affect
the poll Trump is Teflon man like Bill
Clinton after the Lewinsky affair
we always of us who remember it vividly
remember that he could have run for a
third term despite being what I call
partially impeached because as Clinton
said it's the economy stupid if you look
at Illinois right now
the industries are booming several
states that were as as even the the
front Lee the filmmaker who Michael
Moore who is very much on the Left
admitted in 2016
people the blue-collar people are voting
for Trump but also many Democrats
because they had a house a car and a job
ten years before and they had eight
years of Obama and they're saying what
happened so they voted Trump and if the
economy is as booming now as it is in
2020 Trump could have another term he is
worried and the Republicans are worried
right now about the gubernatorial
elections coming up November 5th George
Louisiana is Democrat the Republicans
are hoping to overthrow the governor but
Kentucky and Mississippi are possible
moves to Democrats so they have to work
very hard on those but let's not forget
that in 2016 Trump won a number of
states that Obama had won in 2012 and I
would not be surprised and I am being
devil's advocate here that in 2020 if
this review crane thing blows over which
I suspect it will even if Congress fails
to impeach him the Senate will not all I
eat my hat I've got my hat over there I
leave mine to have a lunch together yeah
absolutely
with some ketchup on top Heinz God
should I said that anyway all those
other cat jobs out there are yeah
but I if he if he if this blows over and
he is Teflon man as I believe he is like
Clinton you know we're all talking about
big business big money deep state all
sorts of conspiratorial ideas but at the
coalface his base still they love him
like you I'm a Sanders supporter do you
think Sanders chances are blown by the
turn the health turn that he's taken
seems to me likely I think it's likely
the world would be a different place had
he won in 2016 he won twenty two
thousand delegates twenty two states and
he won the international the vote that
we vote in overseas Americans overseas
Democrats he wanted he wanted by a
landslide against yeah and and some
nasty things went on at the Philadelphia
Convention the world would be a
different place but now I think he is
vulnerable because of his health much
more of this coming up after the break
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you're watching kalla-nohra with me
George Galloway on Al mayadeen
television coming to you from London
discussing the United States of America
and its president Donald J Trump most
particularly earlier we took the Karim
ahora camera onto the streets of London
to see what the people thought let's
take a look if Donald Trump is impeached
what do you think the impact might be on
US politics I think by and large it will
prove that the procedures or the
policies that we have in place actually
work from fair bit impeached multiple
years ago by now probably the day after
he became president in my opinion is
going to be best for the whole world and
I think the kind of politics Trump plays
it went mental for the development of a
world order it can't be a good thing for
you know any leader to be impeached lack
of confidence from what I know though
from people who are know in America he's
got you know is really well supported
over there so yeah I don't think it'd be
a good thing at all for all round for
anybody if he's impeached the vice
president will will get you know the
power so I mean the domestic it will
have for sure an impact on the next year
election but still the the guidelines of
the domestic policy will be almost the
same
I mean I don't think it's so clear-cut
really it'll set off some sort of chain
reaction
somehow I mean on the face of it it
sounds like it's a great thing but then
what does that mean if Donald Trump's
not in power you've got Mike Pence you
see any better the only troubles not a
good leader for the people because he's
our territory and absolute leader and
this behavior is not a good behavior to
democracy and to people how do you think
it might affect some of the decisions
that he's already taken for example
withdrawing troops from Afghanistan
Syria and the North Korean peace talks
so while he's made those decisions don't
think that he's actually would run any
troops as of yet so we fall into that
hole Trump Obama era sort of where Trump
spent the first year and a half just
undoing everything Obama did the next
president can sort of spend a little bit
of time sort of undoing exactly what
prompted it will not change the
positions already taken he's very very
dangerous for life on Earth I don't
trust his government enough so he my
opinion a different government would
make more certain decisions on that area
what a peach talk peace talks with North
Korea have gone gone pretty well you
know he's done more for the for the
peace of North Korea and in that area
than any other president has done you
know in recent leaving living history so
I'm not really sure about that but as
far as pulling troops out of war zones
like Afghanistan things like that
it'll be really left up to whoever takes
charge if he if he does get removed from
office to make them decisions when it
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well mixed views on the streets of
London and quite like the London er
there myself one of the things that
stood out for me in those contributions
was the phrase chain reaction that the
impeachment of Trump would undoubtedly
create a chain reaction and I don't mean
that in a good way
Trump has the support of at least 40% of
the American public and almost all of
them have got guns
Winston how does it look to you sir
Winston Hall M historian and political
interested party I think that it's
disturbing that since the mid 90s there
has been a demonization of politicians
polarization between the right and the
left even though those terms don't seem
to make as much impact as they used to
there has still been the idea of we're
right you're wrong left or right
and people are if you're not on our side
we automatically an enemy what it seems
to be lost in this is that right or left
people are still part of the same
country taking the president and putting
him in front of impeachment proceedings
which has been started is disturbing in
the sense that the president is still
now having to deal with the problems of
a possible impeachment procedure and to
manage the country and to deal of course
with the rest of the world it shows a
potential instability which is always
disturbing nobody likes instability the
world carries on fairly happily their
problems as always but you like the idea
that there still a steadying hand when
you introduce instability it has the
same effect as putting your finger on an
LP that's going around something goes
wrong discs get scratched and the world
starts to go a bit off-kilter if the
president is seem to be focusing more on
a potential impeachment and having to
defend himself that leaves less
attention for the rest of the domestic
economy for the world economy and for
stability that encourages other parties
who have disturbing exchanges to stron
influence their own sections of the
world if they feel that the cat's away
looking at something else the mouse will
play it causes further instability
around the world and disturbing
situation of the United States which
then has to be sorted out later I think
personally that the demonizing of
President Trump as we saw here some of
the people asked automatically said I
don't like his politics I think he
should be impeached the fact that one
doesn't lack one's politics in democracy
it's part of a healthy democracy you
don't have to like everybody else you
can disagree with them but you can still
say they're okay oh you can see I can't
wait till the next electoral the next
election but to say I think he should be
impeached because I freaking don't like
his politics that's a ridiculous
statement as far as I'm concerned
because he has to be judged for younger
viewers an LP is what you now call a
music download from Spotify or somewhere
else I tend to forget I'm quite all the
American gentleman in the middle row
here everyone Kevin Oxendine failed
comedian dual citizen you know you could
end up the President of the Ukraine I
could I could just wait yeah as far as a
politically a dense person who was going
to much going on in their working life
to focus on the news daily and and keep
tabs on everybody's career Trump is an
obvious charlatan to me it a criminal
from the beginning his practices in the
80s with construction companies and non
payments right now in Scotland he's
refusing to pay court fees you know for
being taken to court over his assumption
that there shouldn't be windmills
visible from his silly golf course I
don't understand where these things are
going it the politics that people don't
agree with is one thing but he's an
obvious criminal and he does well he's
not the first of those is he to hold
office in the United not but he seems
like he might be the most destructive
because he was I want to challenge that
will you forgive me
you see Barack Obama inherited two wars
and made eight Wars
if Hillary Clinton had beaten Trump
those eight wars would have been doubled
down on actually Trump has started no
Wars and has arguably no I don't think
it's much of an argument created the
basis of a lasting peace in the Korean
Peninsula and begun withdrawing forces
from Afghanistan and actually withdrawn
forces from Syria now these are bigger
crimes than not paying your electricity
bill in Scotland Wow
that's a far stretch for not paying
electricity bills I mean you see my
point I mean Richard Nixon Lyndon
Johnson killed four million people
including dropping an ocean of chemical
weapons on them in Indochina but you
don't seem to see that in the same vein
as a guy who was a rogue landlord in the
80s in New York I'm questioning your
perspective yeah well again I've also
voted for Bernie Sanders and it would
have been a different world if he had
been a non-resident and so it's just
difficult to to watch what is a the the
ultimate agenda for someone that is out
for just making money he appears to be
somebody that didn't anticipate being
president and now that he's well in
their imagined jessic and politician
who's just out to make money yeah let me
see as I said at the time I'm not happy
that Donald Trump is President of the
United States but I'm extremely happy
Hillary Clinton isn't I agree with that
as well excellent
the lady there in the middle wrong
Claudia Brian London consultant I think
that he won't be impeached Donald Trump
I also believe that he will beat
everybody I'm going to tell you why you
may say he's a madman when he tweets it
early hours of the morning that's early
hours London time I might add and also I
don't think Melania should take his
phone away
because he's actually gained a huge
voter base by these tweets I speak to
people on a constant basis that are
actually not amused by his tweets
they're empowered by his tweets that's
something that you need to think about
and watch when he he says I'm a strong
and stable genius and in my unmatched
what was the latest one in my unmatched
wisdom yes glorious non self he is a
confident man he has great confidence in
himself but I will say that he is
gaining a lot of support from people
five years ago that did not support him
they now speak very highly of him and it
is by the MADD tweets because they feel
that he has a lot of courage and again
as Teresa redwood you'd said earlier
George he hasn't started any Wars so he
is looking quite good at the moment he
is brokering peace around the world so I
do think that the madman act is just
merely an act well that is interesting
he certainly a he's a different man in
my opinion on the platform at these
massive rallies he's quite an effect of
mass orator actually his tweets I say I
still believe are completely unhinged
most of the time I can't believe that a
grown man never mind the President of
the United States actually wrote those
words mean he he he threatened Turkey
the other day with the absolute
devastation and destruction of their
economy well of course many presidents
of the United States have visited such
destruction on others but they don't
usually put it in writing before they've
they've done so but he is more effective
in longer statements and speeches than
he is in the short form in in my view
anyway thank you for that gentleman
behind you yes Joshua from South London
yes I think this transposition if you
like to call it left and right you
identified earlier on yeah it's quite
evident on both sides of the Atlantic
and if we've got enough time I'd like to
list them all there we go with a little
bit of detail okay
on my way to Ukraine guess what yeah
Ukraine I met I happened upon an
American tourist okay
and yes I brought up politics shouldn't
have but there you go
you know what's done is done now when I
we of course not to surprisingly got on
the subject of Trump and of course he
was very anti Trump because he's a
well-travelled well supposedly because
he's a well-traveled man he's you know
he's got quite a worldview he's not your
typical Trump supporter and he's
consequently not a trump supporter but
when I identified hit Hillary Clinton's
support for the Iraq war even though
he's supposed to be more left-wing than
a trump supporter in in theory he
condoned it he said oh it was not it was
unpatriotic not to support it which is
the not only a very tragic irony but is
the it's just the worst case of sort of
if you like naivety that I've heard from
anybody any American I'm not trying to
generalize any nationality of course but
that was very very poor naivety on his
part now the second example comes from a
citizen of the UK my own uncle in fact
who I had who I was whose residence I
was at sir a couple of weeks ago live
long labor supporter okay he was you
know he would he wouldn't vote Tory if
his existence depended upon it but when
I indicated to him that Hillary Clinton
oversaw the destruction of Libya and
that she you know again supported the
Iraq war when I when I use those
examples he just said and I can't
believe I heard these words come out of
his mouth that doesn't necessarily make
her a worse person than Donald J Trump
again very very deplorable naivety and
if you like dismissive well is its
perspective isn't it yeah it's a bit if
you forgive me like my conversation with
our American guests someone who's rude
and vulgar and ugly and florid and fat
and has a track record of a venal
behavior towards women is judged in one
way somebody who's uber-cool
and smooth and immaculately tailored and
can sing Sam Cooke is forgiven for
bombing eight countries and killing
thousands of people including American
citizens isn't it this question of
perspective here well very much so very
much so I mean and again another another
example of when I use that example to
another person who identifies as
left-wing well in you know in supposedly
more than just name but veering off the
subject a little bit when I when we came
to the EU because I disagreed with him
about you know the nature of EU and why
we should have left when I use the
example of overturning Greeks democratic
Greece's democratic referendum against
the austerity package that was a
coercively force upon it he just again
overlooked that he said well you know
there was no other solution so it's okay
even though that's as right-wing as you
can basically get you know overturning
the decision of the Democratic were the
people and imposing what amounted to
almost economic sanctions on remarkable
how many left-wing people are content
with that
Joshua just running out of time Patrick
are they serious the Democrats or as
this just short time to kind of ink or
pencil in the ward I the letter I on the
forehead of Donald Trump or are there
really going to go for it I think I
think they have no choice but to go for
it and I think the seeds of the the
failure of the Democrats were were so in
a long time ago you can't escape the
past if you go to the Donald Trump
rallies you speak to some of these
people on the fringe X Democrat Reagan
Democrats if you will the one thing
they'll say is yes I know he's a
completely bombastic he's does horrible
things but he he says what he means he
seems to speak the truth and this is why
they're supporting him the the
opposition's reaction is always
hysterical
so now Trump can stand there and say
look at the other side they're radical
they're their policies are off the
there's absolutely no way that this is
going to work in America and so you can
sort of you know create distance between
himself in the opposition it's a vicious
spiral that's not going to end and like
Adam said being able to play that this
Tammany Hall style boxing match and hit
your opponent all the way across the
ring this seems to resonate with quite a
few people right now at this point in
history but the last thing I'll say is
Blue Democrats the one thing that they
voted for Ronald Reagan in the second
term was absolutely on the economy if
you look at American elections into my
colleague here said this earlier the
401k
the stock market driven fixed income
retirements that generates votes that
translates into votes in a general
election for a reelection
if the stock markets up if the stock
markets up he's going to get those
available votes from moderate Democrats
absolutely 100% because I've spoke to
many of them already this year and
they're sheepishly quietly saying they
probably going to vote for Trump a gent
how does it all look to you my friend
yes well I'm glad that you've left me
too near the end we always save the best
of I wanted to talk a little bit more
about why Donald Trump is attempting to
be impeached by the Democrats it I think
it's a lot to do with power and how that
power is financed because with the
Republicans in the United States money
is like raised in conventions with you
know donors donating to the party in
Donald Trump's case he had his own money
and he's still looking for more money I
think he spent any of his own money
actually well he has but he's still
looking to raise more money however with
the the Democrats they have a central
fund and that central fund stems from
the Clinton Foundation and there's also
like an Obama foundation being formed as
we speak I'm sure and these two
financial base
financed the two polarized political
views and you can see allies to these
two political views in Russia being more
Trump ish North Korea Trump ish and the
European Union being more Democrat the
United States at the moment is being
more Democrat despite having like a
Republican president and I believe that
Hillary Clinton never dreamt in her
wildest dreams that Donald Trump would
beat her in the 2016 election because I
think that the secret services were very
busy in the background manipulating the
count but I think the swing to Trump was
so huge she lost and she doesn't believe
it and doesn't accept it and that's
really what's behind it it's anger that
she can lose based upon something that
wasn't planned and that planning has
gone long into the future it started a
long long time ago they envisioned
envisioned a democratic government on
the left side of politics for a very
long time and Donald Trump is a big
hiccup in their system and they're
trying their hardest to resolve this now
where is that Democrats money going to
be coming from in the future
what seems to have escaped many people's
notice is that in Ukraine they have the
second largest oil and gas reserves or
it's not I beg your pardon
shale oil and gas reserves in the world
and those shale and oil gas reserves are
being exploited by bersama that company
that Joe Biden's son is seconded onto I
can't imagine that he would be and
well-known shale oil expert yes yes and
the the reason it's so important is
because in the last 5 & 10 years the
extraction of shale oil
has become so economically viable it
will be the biggest form of income that
the world has ever seen it's gonna be
more than cars more than gold more than
anything because it takes only a small
amount of money to just shoot a bit of
water into the crust of the earth to
release shale gas and this gas comes out
and it's virtually tax free to most
people that are in the Democrat Party
for one reason or another in the Ukraine
for instance they preside over this huge
shale gas reserve and Russia are fully
aware of that and also a quarter of that
reserve is in Russian controlled sectors
and I think that the whole thing is
being set up for a big world war
starting in Ukraine because I think that
President Putin is fully aware of all
this the Ukrainians are fully aware of
it and that's why they are desperately
trying to side with the United States of
America because they don't want to be
overrun by Russia and they could be the
investigation into corruption in Ukraine
was stopped by Joe Biden who threatened
to withhold 1 billion dollars worth of
hell on video it can't even be denied
yes unless the lawyer that was
investigating was sacked and he was
promptly so we're looking at the reasons
for impeachment and these are huge
reasons to get rid of a Republican
president who just wants justice for
people around the world and obviously
justice for his own people and being a
nationalist of course this is directly
opposite in policy to what the Democrats
are trying to do at the moment the
Democrats are trying to knock down walls
and President Trump is trying to build
walls to keep the nation together in the
United States
and similarly throughout the world so
the the reasons
for impeachment are much more than
political their economic very
interesting Adam I mean leaving aside
that rather rose-tinted version of
Donald Trump's mission at least from my
point of view I'm not sure he's building
a wall to keep the nation together I
don't think he's interested at all in
keeping the nation together he's a
divisive politician deliberately
divisive he just hopes that there'll be
more on his side of the division than on
the other you have told me before that
you believe that that Trump will
comfortably be reelected are you still
of that view Oh more than ever before
the the danger for Trump was always that
he couldn't paint himself as the
perennial victim of the establishment
and the worst thing for him would be to
appear before his face as sort of
establishment lite establishment junior
establishment good good intentions but
nevertheless the road to hell this has
been absolutely brilliant for him and
there are some politicians in fact
throughout the history of the world some
of the most successful political leaders
have been those who have courted
adversarial circumstances in order to
fight it the ones who had the big ideas
and implemented them peacefully and like
that one of my heroes dong Xiao ping is
the opposite of that he needed calm he
needed harmony in order to change China
for the better and lived more people out
of poverty in the shortest period of
time than has ever happened before in
human history but then there are other
people a kind of Alexander the great
person who without an opponent who is
Alexander without the swamp to drain who
is Trump the Great Swamp trainer and
because this swamp has become so
energized and so unhinged I mean come on
Alexandria Cortez as the face of the
Democratic Party I mean it's it's lunacy
they've gone off the rails on the crazy
train
but this plays into Trump's hands it
plays into his
bass and I think irrespective of who the
Democrats choose and it will probably be
Warren which is like Hillary Clinton
without the feminine charm he's going to
not only win big but I think he's going
to win huge Andre last word to you from
the Breitbart circles are you confident
that Trump will a not be impeached and
be reelected
well impeach effectively means indict so
I I don't have an argument against
potentially being passed by the Congress
it won't go through Senate so we won't
be convicted of the impeachment look I
think he's gonna win and I'll tell you
why because he's one of the few
politicians that we've ever come across
who actually gets into trouble for doing
what he told you he intended to do
people are going absolutely crazy about
this situation with the Kurds he said he
was going to pull American forces out of
absolutely everywhere and that's
precisely what happening but I'm not
really because he sent the same number
of forces to Saudi Arabia well overnight
he's a direction of travel and the cars
lit hey look as you said it's gone down
from three three but what is étoile well
no that's not that's not bad effort but
look I will wait make one important
point that people forget people think
that Saints Barack is this marvelous
person look as far as I'm concerned the
hatred in politics did not start with
Donald Trump Bernie Sanders should have
beat Hillary Clinton in fact he probably
did what happened was a series of rigged
votes a series of games being played a
disgraceful a primary system and then
you have people like Barack Obama comes
in every single conservative
organization in America even the
voluntary ones get investigated by the
by the taxman and just a mass demand by
Barack Obama and so just because we hear
Donald Trump shouting a little bit we
forget there's some real real nasty
nasty people in the Democratic Party and
Hillary is top of that list well there
you are lock them up is not a good
slogan in politics I've been George
Galloway this has been Callum ahora on
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